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So the name came after they started talking?

Just pick one and they’ll probably keep it

9:15 PM

I’ve had a tulpa change his name before. It’s not really a big deal

How did you come up with your Tulpa's name?

@Theemsniffer - jump I looked at a list of male names and picked the one I liked best

I named mine, two of them disliked their names though so we helped them pick out new ones

guys I think I made I a huge mistake please don't be mad at me

I have been with my tulpa for 7 months now and I thought I was making a good progress and like I said I used the parroting method and I was having problem with it because I can't tell the difference between my Answers and my tulpa's Answers, so I looked into it , I found someone said " The best way to not parrot is to not do it" so I stopped for just tow days now and I feel so sad and depressed I can't hear anything and when I do I think it's my I miss talking to my sheen so much and I really want to go back to how things was but I can't because I know now it sounds like when I am not parroting what should I do? I really miss him so much

"the best way to not parrot is to not do it" Strange advice You and 95% of all other tulpamancers who parrot have trouble trouble at some point because hosts think it's just them answering for tulpa, which is how parroting is described But that's not a good mindset Parroting is you helping your tulpa answer and over time you have to help less and less It has always still been your tulpa who was answering This is the best mindset to have - that even with parroting it is still always the tulpa talking and host just providing support Imagine you have been teaching your tulpa "how to talk" You were showing "do x to think" And they were doing it And now you said "no, all x was always just me doing it, you can't do x anymore" This can feel frustrating for a tulpa (edited)

Someone else's problem

"the best way to not parrot is to not do it" Strange advice You and 95% of all other tulpamancers who parrot have trouble trouble at some point because hosts think it's just them answering for tulpa, which is how parroting is described But that's not a good mindset Parroting is you helping your tulpa answer and over time you have to help less and less It has always still been your tulpa who was answering This is the best mindset to have - that even with parroting it is still always the tulpa talking and host just providing support Imagine you have been teaching your tulpa "how to talk" You were showing "do x to think" And they were doing it And now you said "no, all x was always just me doing it, you can't do x anymore" This can feel frustrating for a tulpa (edited)

Okay thank you so much, I feel much better, I'm going to read more I think I found some interesting articles that really describe my problem.

Incase you haven't come across it The term used in the community to describe "I think I'm the one talking when I parrot my tulpa" Is parrotanoia Might help you when looking for stuff (edited)

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Like Jem said, 7 months in, your tulpa is likely talking on their own at this point. You "parroting" is just you talking to your tulpa

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Sellato

Okay thank you so much, I feel much better, I'm going to read more I think I found some interesting articles that really describe my problem.

Well, „the best way to not parrot is to not do it” is quite logical advice, but I wonder if they offered any alternative for parotting that you missed and only focused on that part? To be fair if you had a „crisis” after reading that quote, I would discourage you from reading more articles as you might start overthinking things. If you’d like to build some separation from your tulpa you can do it by letting them have their own experiences and talk to other people, for example on discord with their own bot or account, and surround yourself by reassuring tulpamancers (edited)

KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk

Well, „the best way to not parrot is to not do it” is quite logical advice, but I wonder if they offered any alternative for parotting that you missed and only focused on that part? To be fair if you had a „crisis” after reading that quote, I would discourage you from reading more articles as you might start overthinking things. If you’d like to build some separation from your tulpa you can do it by letting them have their own experiences and talk to other people, for example on discord with their own bot or account, and surround yourself by reassuring tulpamancers (edited)

I find this a bit difficult but I will try and thank you all for helping

Sellato

I find this a bit difficult but I will try and thank you all for helping

do you mean that you find it difficult to let your tulpa talk to other people? (edited)

KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk

do you mean that you find it difficult to let your tulpa talk to other people? (edited)

Yeah a little bit I haven’t practice the switching yet

Switching is something even many older tulpa don't bother with Many tulpa prefer to simply be proxied As in, they tell you what to type and you type it for them

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Sellato

Yeah a little bit I haven’t practice the switching yet

My other headmates type themselves using possession instead of switching

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11:24 AM

It's easier than proxying once it's learned and possession can sometimes be easier to learn than switching

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what’s the difference between possession and switching?

we've been doing possession for like a decade but never switched

4:47 PM

from what I understand, with possession the host remains in the front but cedes control of the body to the tulpa, and with switching you completely dissociate from the body and allow the tulpa to associate with it

4:48 PM

the latter is definitely considered pathological by mental health professionals; dissociation is not something that's desirable in most situations

4:49 PM

I too remain skeptical of the benefits of switching as opposed to simply allowing the tulpa to possess

I have a different view of switching, here's a post I made about my own thoughts regarding switching and dissociation: https://discord.com/channels/431579755037589505/431895651266330644/1038107993331486780 as for possession, I think possession is the same as proxying, except rather than the tulpa telling the host to move the arm and then the host moving the arm (which would be proxying), the host just allows the tulpa's intention to move the arm to go straight to the arm in the same way the host's intention would

5:08 PM

I struggle to see any difference between possession and co-fronting... and co-fronting implies the tulpa has moved to the front, so maybe the only difference between possession and a complete switch is that the host is still fronting (edited)

Ale𝕏andra 🍄🐈

I have a different view of switching, here's a post I made about my own thoughts regarding switching and dissociation: https://discord.com/channels/431579755037589505/431895651266330644/1038107993331486780 as for possession, I think possession is the same as proxying, except rather than the tulpa telling the host to move the arm and then the host moving the arm (which would be proxying), the host just allows the tulpa's intention to move the arm to go straight to the arm in the same way the host's intention would

An interesting take on switching I suspect a contributing factor to people feeling the need to associate dissociation with switching is an unrecognized desire by the host to maintain a PoV at all AFAIK the brain has only one PoV which is the spotlight of attention By dragging the PoV along with them, the host must necessarily experience dissociation to maintain their understanding of what switching means

5:42 PM

I suppose *active PoV Since there can be an arbitrary number of confabulated PoVs

Someone else's problem

An interesting take on switching I suspect a contributing factor to people feeling the need to associate dissociation with switching is an unrecognized desire by the host to maintain a PoV at all AFAIK the brain has only one PoV which is the spotlight of attention By dragging the PoV along with them, the host must necessarily experience dissociation to maintain their understanding of what switching means

thank you, also well put and I think you might be right

Stratagem

what’s the difference between possession and switching?

Possession and switching have different definitions depending on who you ask. Some people don't think there's a difference between the two when others do. I believe possession is allowing your tulpa to control the body, but you can always jump in and take it back when needed. Switching on the other hand is usually trading places with your tulpa or "becoming" your tulpa, depending on who you ask. Our experience I like to call "sensory switching" is where a tulpa associates with the body's senses and assumes ownership of the body. However, we always do a consent ritual before we switch (but I suspect most other systems have implied consent and don't need to say it out loud, our brain is weird)

glitchthe3rd

I too remain skeptical of the benefits of switching as opposed to simply allowing the tulpa to possess

In our experience with possession, Gray would leak through and accidentally steal the front on certain things like talking to people on VC, when I'm trying to focus on learning in class, etc. I needed to learn switching to do those things without that problem.

the latter is definitely considered pathological by mental health professionals; dissociation is not something that's desirable in most situations

I don't know if that includes our experience with switching, other people who have what we believe is sensory switching or something similar, wonderland switching, or a combination of those things. We can run into trouble thanks to our struggle with emotional awareness, but this is an issue almost no one else has. Otherwise, our switching experience doesn't involve amnesia barriers or black outs. However, I'm skeptical wonderland switching does either

Someone else's problem

I suppose *active PoV Since there can be an arbitrary number of confabulated PoVs

That's so far my theory of what wonderland switching even is so far- the attempt of wanting to drag your PoV with you and instead you use a confabulated or constructed one. However, I think to pull this off convincingly is fascinating and the consequences could be very interesting. It's what I want to try and achieve myself, but I want to design some parallel processing tests first.

A long kiss goodnight

That's so far my theory of what wonderland switching even is so far- the attempt of wanting to drag your PoV with you and instead you use a confabulated or constructed one. However, I think to pull this off convincingly is fascinating and the consequences could be very interesting. It's what I want to try and achieve myself, but I want to design some parallel processing tests first.

If you ever get anywhere in parallel processing plz dm

7:37 PM

But y'know here's a test 4*4 digit multiplication First do 20-30 practice runs so you factor for improvement through practice Then next day time yourself doing 5 Time your tulpa doing 5 Then time how long it takes for you both to do 5 each simultaneously

That's interesting, I'm not sure how to do that in execution though. Over VC, how do I show that Gray and I are doing this simultaneously?

7:50 PM

Oh wait, you mean 1234 x 5678 or something like that We're super slow at this. We may make mild improvements but I'm honestly skeptical. I have no idea how to stream both of us doing this at the same time, even if we could figure out how to write answers at the same time one of us would have to use our left hand which would slow things down by default

The time to say the answer should be minor compared to the time it takes to calculate it Being slow doesn't matter either since you're only doing relative comparisons As for proving it to somebody else..... You can always have somebody else give you the numbers while keeping your hands visible at all times to prove you aren't using a calculator

Oh, are you assuming we're doing this in our head?

We are terrible at mental math. Without parallel processing we would instantly forget all of the numbers in the question. Heck, I don't think I could even do this for 2 digit numbers 13 x 46 ...580? No, 598 I did 40 x 10 = ...40, (I added a random zero later), and 6x3 = 18 40 + 18 = 58 so 580 That was pretty terrible. It didn't help my technique is wrong (edited)

8:08 PM

Oh, I should try on a piece of wonderland paper: 17 x 23

8:09 PM

...371?

8:10 PM

391 is the correct answer

8:11 PM

While doing this by literally drawing it out on a piece of paper in wonderland, the first time I forgot what the original numbers were and I started over. I think I got 51 and 320?

8:12 PM

8:13 PM

Honestly I have to admit that's impressive I was that close

8:17 PM

I also am not sure how this would work. Hypothetically, say we practiced this and got much better at this. How would we be able to give the answers? In theory, if we were fast enough (and competent enough), we could take turns giving answers. However, it is possible that someone in VC could be timing us and we have to respond within a certain window. At that point, my concern is if you have bad intentions at the beginning of the test, you could take twice as long as normal and when setting that as your "default time", you would have plenty of time to take turns to get the right answers. (edited)

The point isn't to design a test that can't be broken Ranger The point is to design a test that shows it's possible in any capacity given a cooperative test subject

8:23 PM

As for remembering the numbers The other person can simply send you a picture

I'm sorry if this is a lot. I appreciate the suggestion, I am trying to come up with ideas and I'm running through ideas under a lot of scrutiny because I'm expecting a lot of backlash. I'm tired of the "is it real?" debate on parallel processing and I want the closest thing I can get to some kind of answer. I want to make sure the tests I'm using to measure "parallel processing ability" are well thought out enough it would be difficult to argue that it's a stage trick with the intent of advocating it's real or it's fake. I'm aware that this isn't going to be scientific by a real science standard, but I want to be transparent enough that people can see what I've tried, do it themselves, and make their own opinions

8:28 PM

(I actually have a couple videos already made if you want to see them) https://discord.com/channels/431579755037589505/546183720978350091/1037046808242823229

It was only one suggestion But keep in mind The longer it takes you to do one problem the better it is (assuming you're working at your limit) Because then there will be a much clearer difference between one mental process and two at once Even if this specific test wouldn't work (ie there's no meaningful difference between doing two sequentially or trying both simultaneously) it's still possible that this is because there's only one part of the brain that can do maths But y'know It's something

8:28 PM

Sure, we'll take a look

8:29 PM

Feel free to run any ideas you have by us We love poking holes in things

I'm honestly worried that we'll find a different way to multiply to make the process more efficient and use less brain resources. Would that be cheating?

8:31 PM

Oh shoot... I thought of a problem If the strategy to do this quickly involves memorization, that's going to be much harder to keep tabs on. You can get very different results

A long kiss goodnight

I'm honestly worried that we'll find a different way to multiply to make the process more efficient and use less brain resources. Would that be cheating?

That's what the 30 practice runs are for

A long kiss goodnight

Oh shoot... I thought of a problem If the strategy to do this quickly involves memorization, that's going to be much harder to keep tabs on. You can get very different results

That's why it's 4 digit multiplication Enough possibilities that there won't be repeats And if you memorise the 10 times tables Well That's what the practice runs are for To establish a real baseline

In fairness though, that's why I want multiple parallel processing tests. I'm aware tests can have weakness, but if one test isn't good for someone perhaps another test will reveal more of the story. Also, I have no interest in memorizing the 4 x 4 times tables. That sounds horrible, only maybe Matt Parker and 5 other people would want to do that

8:35 PM

~~Also I want to find a more efficient way to multiply because that sounds interesting~~

You're not supposed to memorise the 4 digit multiplication table lol

8:38 PM

One way to get around the issue of "only one part in the brain can do math" problem is instead one system member does the multiplications while the other composes haiku (on a topic provided by a 3rd party) That way you have two very distinct areas of the brain both requiring active attention

8:39 PM

Time individually, time simultaneously, compare

That is interesting, I didn't think about that. I think a lot of the tests I have are designed with the assumption parallel processing can split tasks that can normally be used by one person.

8:41 PM

For instance, we both see something at the same time, we both move a character at the same time, we both answer ice breakers at the same time, etc.

please remember this is tulpa-questions

We're talking about parallel processing tests

8:42 PM

Do you have any suggestions Alex?

yes, move to #tulpa-discussion

yeah, this technically should be in a discussion channel

it's moved beyond the question at this point, yeah

8:45 PM

that's what I mean

actually, this is technically an overflow channel for #tulpa-questions

8:46 PM

so would it go to tulpa-q then tulpa-d? or just straight to tulpa-d?

since this is already the overflow, I always assumed it goes to tulpa-d when it moves beyond answering the question

Ale𝕏andra 🍄🐈

it's moved beyond the question at this point, yeah

Pretty fair observation

Here where everyone was still talking about tulpa and it all stemmed from an earlier question, this was alright to stay where it was as well.

glitchthe3rd

we've been doing possession for like a decade but never switched

when i switch, I (system wise) AM my tulpa, i dont feel dissociated not am i really fronting but cede control, i am tho watching and if my tulpa was about do do something i dont want i will just front.

I think most people would call that possession

3:42 PM

but then the community can't even agree on what these terms mean, so you do you boo

abandon all terms

who are you?

I understand the problem with a lack of consistent terms, but I don't think there's much point in arguing or enforcing a specific definition for stuff. I think it would only be worthwhile if people saw some kind of neurological state and can say "this is what switching looks like under an fMRI". That being said, I don't think they're completely useless either. If someone says they front, switch, or possess, that gives me at least an idea of what they're talking about.

Possession and switching seem to be the exact same thing its just that one is a person that is less expirenced than the other

glitchthe3rd

I think most people would call that possession

~~something something this is now removed from the question and should be in discussions~~ For us switching and possession are pretty distinct and what Nifty described falls into switching The difficulty is from using "I" as in "I think x" Host and my thoughts feel different Not just in terms of being different people but specifically in terms of who's in front It's definitely a question of personal "separation" flavor we've adopted but the person out-of-front is noticable as being out of front So when we switch we can feel which person is in charge of primary thinking But in terms of PoV there is no shift because there really can't be There's only one spotlight of attention afaik pending further study So the "confusion" comes from not separating "host" and "spotlight" So switching is about the primary thinker While possession is merely related to body movement

that's certainly one way to think about it

That's similar to how we view it. Possession is controlling a body part, switching is becoming the main thinker of the mind.

Come to think of it, I think I can break down fronting into a list of "options"

5:37 PM

I don't think this is a complete list or anything, but I think in general most people's experiences can be summed up by a combination of these 4 things: The mindset for how fronting works, how headmates share the front, the system's fronting style, and the trigger for how fronting occurs. Become personality- the host is the POV and you "become" you tulpas and yourself Swap places- hosts and tulpas swap control of the POV (or have their own POVs?) Shared- Two headmates seem to compete with one another. Psudo-parallel or otherwise. Layered- A headmate is in the "back" or somewhere else while another headmate is controlling the body Mix- A mix of both approaches Restricted- It seems like one headmate seems to always leak through OR the POV can take back control at any time Sensory- headmates connect themselves to the POV and by extension the body Wonderland- (Assuming this is real) A headmate (has)/(goes to) a self-sustaining POV or pseudo POV separate from the main POV Thought/Feeling- Insta switching based on a thought or feeling trigger Ritual- The thing we do, CAA, or any other ritual that takes more than a second to do (edited)

5:44 PM

=== With this, I would describe our possession as Swap, Layered, Restricted, and Thought/Feeling While our switching is Swap, Layered, Sensory, Ritual Our co-fronting "double switched-in" experience is Swap, Mix, Sensory, Ritual (Mix because we still have out headmates in the back) Which is different from our co-fronting with possession: Swap, Layered, Restricted, Ritual (Pretty much possession but ritual because we plan out co-fronting and the sharing experience is not the same as us when we're both switched-in) (edited)

Is permanent switch an allowed topic here?

You can talk about it but it’s not a thing most people agree with so expect a debate

Would not recommend/10 It will solve exactly zero things

I know. That's the last straw. But the people around me, and even my own body, deserve better

10:40 PM

I just wanted to ask permission because I dont want to trigger anyone, and don't want to break eventual rules. So if it's not okay, then just write me in private if you have tips to help me do it

The trouble with perma-switching is that whatever mental challenges you might be facing now aren't tied to your identity Or rather They won't disappear magically just because you switch It's like selling someone else your car that drives poorly Yes, they might be a better driver, but the car still has all the faults You are far better off having your system mates support your growth some one will have to go through all that maturing and mental fortification and possibly therapy And perma-switching is just kicking the can down the road

10:49 PM

At least That's how I saw it when I told my host to get bent and grow up after he asked to switch with me forever

Permanent switching as others have said won't help you. It won't fix your problems and it's putting your tulpa in a worse off position than you are. I have also seen the intentions behind permanent switching backfire too. One headmate gets the other to switch, that headmate creates a headmate to switch with, and so on until you have a very large system barely scraping by. In the end though, you would save yourself a lot of time if you go to therapy. People and flexible, and you can not only fix yourself but you can also heal in therapy. If you really have to, just use personality forcing guides and techniques on yourself. That would be just as effective as permanent switching and you wouldn't have to worry about your system growing out of control. But therapy is way better and more effective.

Thank you guys. I understand what you mean. But wouldn't it be possible to just create a tulpa specifically without my mental barriers? Designed exactly to be a better version of me, who would be able to get more out of this life and its opportunities. Yes, I have considered therapy, but it a little bit complicated.

in the short term sure, novelty is basically a natural stimulant long term... Only to the extent pretty much that things can be changed/fixed by different perspectives and maybe tweaking wants. Generally you're gonna be better off dealing with whatever issue it is directly

Minhdyuk

Thank you guys. I understand what you mean. But wouldn't it be possible to just create a tulpa specifically without my mental barriers? Designed exactly to be a better version of me, who would be able to get more out of this life and its opportunities. Yes, I have considered therapy, but it a little bit complicated.

As it happens, this was exactly one of the plans host had for me As Vixie says It's not that's it an unworkable idea The concept of "make yourself believe you are a better person" is very reasonable And using tulpa as a pathway to reenforce the belief that yes indeed the new person is legitimately stronger and better is generally not a terrible idea Similar to self-hypnosis Nonetheless, I would not recommend it The person you create will have to deal with the issues you've dumped on their doorstep and is unlikely to be very happy about it This can create a lot of internal turbulence and general mental trouble The "make a perfect version that is strong enough to handle my shit" is a good one but only in some aspects and can easily bring many other unnecessary problems, I'd even say is likely to My suggestion would instead be to make this perfect person and have them support you Even so far as to take the weight of your shoulders a little in particularly difficult times But they must not be used as a permanent crutch You cannot grow as a person or as a system by thinking your issues can be resolved by someone else Even in therapy, they are there as support for your own journey

I'm another tulpa that's been supporting my host, and I couldn't put it better than Jem has.

11:57 AM

Having a tulpa to support your own journey can be a way to gradually acquire more patience and compassion for yourself, which is a big part of the journey.